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Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:58 am | |
| | Hanner wrote: | I too was introduced to the satisfying genre of vampire novels by Twilight, and therefore the series will forever be one of my favorites. But as many have already said, I feel that VA was written better, "more flow" and I am not sure if this is just me, but whenever I start a new series at all I temporarily allow it to become my obsession.
But only afterwards can I look back on each series I have read and decide which one's were best and why.
And all books have their strengths and weaknesses, so I guess it really comes down to which strengths cling to you most and which weaknesses annoy you the most, haha. |
Still...i wonder how to deal with the idea of a lack of final battle, at all, in a remotely decent epic, without which, there might not be anything epic about the series, to begin with.  |
|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:52 am | |
| For me, I don't believe everything has to end with a battle. There has to be a struggle, something to be overcome and while a battle adds to that struggle, it's not exactly necessary. After reading why Stephenie Meyer didn't create a final battle in Breaking Dawn, I can't say I blame her for doing it. I, too, wouldn't want all my favourite characters (those I've come to know and love so well) to be murdered at the end. Being one for happy endings I always fear what will happen during a battle, I don't want to lose anyone special. Then again, I can see why some people don't agree with me (or Stephenie), because there's strength in death within stories. It makes them slightly more real as they create love and loss. |
|  | | Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:26 pm | |
| I can see that you have a lot of patience, i'll give you that, but how about dealing with very painful injuries that would take months just to fully deal with? This might hurt whatever movies that would be made out of Breaking Dawn, wouldn't it?  |
|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:30 am | |
| Turthfully I'm not a big fan of books being made to movies. I love seeing what occurs, but then again a movie can't capture a book in the same sense; you don't get the same emotions pushing through. So I'm worried about how they're display those sorts of injuries myself. For New Moon (and emotional injuries), Stephenie Meyer kind of does it for us in the book: skipping the months, so displaying that part won't be too difficult. But I can't see them succeeding as well as it's portrayed in the novel. |
|  | | Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:48 am | |
| | SecretMagic wrote: | Turthfully I'm not a big fan of books being made to movies. I love seeing what occurs, but then again a movie can't capture a book in the same sense; you don't get the same emotions pushing through. So I'm worried about how they're display those sorts of injuries myself. For New Moon (and emotional injuries), Stephenie Meyer kind of does it for us in the book: skipping the months, so displaying that part won't be too difficult. But I can't see them succeeding as well as it's portrayed in the novel. |
^I'm amazed that you have a lot of patience, as i am now wondering if this was your first forum site, S.M. In any case, even Avatar:The Last Airbender, had a final battle, and it didn't even have a lot of kill-offs, either. But that didn't stop the final battle for that series, from standing alongside the final battle in the final Harry Potter novel, didn't it? |
|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:32 am | |
| | Tonystark616 wrote: | ^I'm amazed that you have a lot of patience, as i am now wondering if this was your first forum site, S.M. In any case, even Avatar:The Last Airbender, had a final battle, and it didn't even have a lot of kill-offs, either. But that didn't stop the final battle for that series, from standing alongside the final battle in the final Harry Potter novel, didn't it? |
Oh, definitely not my first forum site (especially when discussing Twilight.)
I don't think you can compare different books/movies (etc.) based on their battles alone; nor can these books/movies (etc.) be judged on whether they have a battle or not. The Harry Potter final battle killed me. All those fabulous characters, gone. (Though it doesn't change my view of the series.) I don't know enough about Avatar to say anything for or against it in the sense of battle scenes.
Although I would have loved to see the Volturi struck down by the Cullens in Breaking Dawn, I can't change what was written, and I don't want to. In a way it leaves the Twilight world open for continuation. Sure, they didn't fight and no-one was killing in Breaking Dawn; but who's to say another book won't be written in the future where an almighty battle takes place and wipes all the vampires out of existence? |
|  | | Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:56 am | |
| | SecretMagic wrote: | | Tonystark616 wrote: | ^I'm amazed that you have a lot of patience, as i am now wondering if this was your first forum site, S.M. In any case, even Avatar:The Last Airbender, had a final battle, and it didn't even have a lot of kill-offs, either. But that didn't stop the final battle for that series, from standing alongside the final battle in the final Harry Potter novel, didn't it? |
Oh, definitely not my first forum site (especially when discussing Twilight.)
I don't think you can compare different books/movies (etc.) based on their battles alone; nor can these books/movies (etc.) be judged on whether they have a battle or not. The Harry Potter final battle killed me. All those fabulous characters, gone. (Though it doesn't change my view of the series.) I don't know enough about Avatar to say anything for or against it in the sense of battle scenes.
Although I would have loved to see the Volturi struck down by the Cullens in Breaking Dawn, I can't change what was written, and I don't want to. In a way it leaves the Twilight world open for continuation. Sure, they didn't fight and no-one was killing in Breaking Dawn; but who's to say another book won't be written in the future where an almighty battle takes place and wipes all the vampires out of existence? |
You might have a point, there, but i don't know if anyone would have the patience to wait it out, if that would ever happen.But as for the Final Battle in the Potterworld, i might have to disagree, as some of them are still breathing, right now, but i won't say which ones are.
| Spoiler: | | | at least we get to see Oliver Wood again, that's something. |
In any case, what is the point of Isabella Swan gaining all that power that a full-blooded Vampiress could have, if they aren't even going to bother to test it out, much, if at all?
Even Gundam:SEED:Destiny tried to get Athrun Zala, a regular Coordinator who pilots giant robots known as Mobile Suits, to use the Infinite Justice Gundam to its maximum capabilities, but there wasn't enough episodes to be able to show what it could really do, especially when compared to the Strike Freedom and the Akutsuki Gundams, in the final battle. |
|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | |  | | Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:10 am | |
| ^Even Kira Yamato, of the Cosmic Era Gundam shows, which would include Gundam:SEED and Gundam:SEED:Destiny, at least showed us what he could do with the right mobile suit, but Bella is far worse off than Kira is, since she doesn't even have the excuse of being the Ultimate Vampiress going for her, or something like that. |
|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:15 am | |
| haha, She's hardly got an excuse for anything. All ordinary and average and then suddenly Wonder-Vampire!, without even knowing how she got there. Pathetic. |
|  | | Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:11 am | |
| | SecretMagic wrote: | | haha, She's hardly got an excuse for anything. All ordinary and average and then suddenly Wonder-Vampire!, without even knowing how she got there. Pathetic. |
You got that one, right, and it was because she was dying, as she was bleeding out her own blood on the floor, that she would either lose her humanity or her life.
At least Harry James Potter, or for that matter, Perseus Jackson, had been tested with their combat talents and skills, time, time, and again, before anyone would be able to get to either The Deathly Hallows or The Last Olympian, in which both of them, in each of those novels, were at their prime.
And did i forget to mention that Percy happens to be a Demigod? |
|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:04 am | |
| I don't deny that there are definite and quite obvious flaws within the Twilight series. I'd be a fool if I tried to say it was the perfect story. For that matter I don't think any story is perfect, but others just had a few better qualities than Twilight does. |
|  | | Tonystark616

Posts: 1808 Join date: 2009-05-09 Age: 17 Location: At the Cosmic Era or at the Anno Domini Era, trying to ask Kira Yamato or Athrun Zala, or for that matter, Celestial Being to come in to kill the Volturi.
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:48 pm | |
| And i'd also be a fool, if i didn't consider the fact of the matter that the Twilight novels encouraged me to look up Vampires, some more, as well as when i began to hear of the Strigoi, for that matter.  |
|  | | Hanner

Posts: 141 Join date: 2009-03-10
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:34 pm | |
| For me the problem with the ending was that it was left on almost a cliff-hanger of sorts. Because it wasn't like ok, everything is all better now, the end. It was more like ok everything is alright, for now, until we decide to come back and put you in your place.... It had me craving another book. _________________ "When it's time to live and let die, and you can't get another try, something inside this heart has died, you're in ruins." --Green Day
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|  | | SecretMagic

Posts: 1269 Join date: 2009-06-12 Location: Australia
 | Subject: Re: Twilight Versus Vampire Academy Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:37 pm | |
| | Hanner wrote: | For me the problem with the ending was that it was left on almost a cliff-hanger of sorts. Because it wasn't like ok, everything is all better now, the end. It was more like ok everything is alright, for now, until we decide to come back and put you in your place....
It had me craving another book. |
And not just with the Volturi. We were left hanging with so many other things. We've now got half-vampires running around the place, with god only knows what abilities.
I mean, I like having books that allow you to wonder what else could happen in their lives/universe, but not that much. |
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