I completely agree with you Jill. Lissa shouldn't be so selfish at time, especially when this is the only think that Rose has asked of her.

As to the guardian thing, I think she'd be the best guardian they have (or at least one of them because I don't know what every guardian is like) but at the same time I doubt they'll let her protect someone. They'll be nervous about her thoughts, wondering if she'd just up and leave whenever she felt the situation demanded it. I like Lissa, Christian and Adrian would side with her, but their opinions might not matter in the long run.

I also agree.

Lissa should have supported Rose on anything since Rose is always protecting and looking up for her.
Lissa was being really selfish.

I hope to see Lissa learn how to be a better friend to rose in the next books. So far it seems like a one sided relationship.

I don't think Lissa's a bad friend, I just think she was so used to the friendship arrangement they had going on that she wasn't open to the idea of Rose changing it as suddenly as she did. Until the ghost sightings and strigoi attacks Rose was suppressing the changes she wished would occur to the point that informing Lissa of them didn't ever cross her mind (or at least she told herself she didn't want Lissa to know which in a way was her avoiding changing what they had) and then Lissa get's thrown into this pre-developed change in their relationship and she reacted in a way that probable wasn't the best option in the world.
That being said I don't blame Rose for wanting a change and think Lissa was a bit of a dipstick for not realising that something was up for Rose in the past few months. Even if Rose was suppressing her ... needs (?), she still presented a slight change outwardly.

well said I completely agree with everything you said.

Ok I just finished reading the current series up to book 3 and my gosh, I wanted to cry...And yes I am a guy lol Tho i do happen to be gay.

Aside from that, I was kinda feeling that something gut wrenching was gonna happen , especially after Rose and Dimitri finally got to be together and they admitted that they couldnt stand the lies anymore. It was like they were relieving a huge stress from both their shoulders. So as I finished reading and saw what that doom and gloom turned out to be, I was stunned. Just wanted to drop teh book but I knew i couldnt because i knew there was at least one more, let alone teh fact taht this book is too damn good ; ;

I REALLY do hope they bring back Dimitri, in some way or another. Was reading teh posts on how things might turn out and I do wish it turns that way but I there was something that was constantly bothering me.

Rose..and her character. We know she's known as being "shadow-kissed" and what its basically known to mean but i mean, the past 3 books didnt delve DEEP into waht it meant and why its so important to her character. its been said that she slips in and out between life and death, not so much in those words, but the more times she kills the closer she becomes to it yes. And also the fact that she can SENSE whenever a Strigoi is around is constantly hitting me on teh side of my head. Its as if its trying to yell to me that theres more to it than just wahts been mentioned so far. So I just have this weird feeling that if there IS a chance to save Dimitri, then it actually might be more of Rose's future role in the next book or so rather than Lissa. That maybe theres some type of power of being shadow-kissed that enables Rose to do something that the whole Vampire History has never seen iono. Just feels like its now gonna be more about Rose and her newer sense of aspect about her life now than her duties as a Guardian and trying to protect Lissa all the time.

AUGH RELEASE THE BOOK PLEASE =( *Rereads the good loving parts between Rose and Dimitri and pretends nothing bad happened to him* ><

Welcome Tasuki it's nice to see a guy who enjoys the books in here.

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Yeah I have to agree about Rose being shadow kissed. In the last few books she's just finding out about being shadow kissed. There are a few things she's learning along the way. I think in the next two books Roses character including the shadow kissed part of her has a lot of development. The thought also occurred to me that Victor is trying to learn more about Rose's unique ability. Just as Victor knows a bit about spirit and he put Lissa through tests to see what her powers can do I can't help but wonder if by taking Dimitri and turning him Strigoi if he's trying to test the boundaries of Roses shadow kissed ability or even more of Lissa's ability as well. Victor knows a bit more of what shadow kissed is and I'm sure he's fascinated about how it works just as he is fascinated about Lissa. Rose and Lissa are like his little experiments and he is controlling a lot of things behind the scenes, he could very well be playing them. Well I have no doubt he's playing them he's the puppet master. The only questions are what are all his intentions and why? It just seems like Victors personality borders a scientific one, he does a lot of research and knows a lot, and conducts his own experiments as well as being power hungry, and revolutionary. Victor I am seeing now is a very complex character.

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Hehe thanks. Ive read multiple Vampire Books and , not trying to be biased or start a hate thread, I do find this one much better than the other ones ive read. This one just seems to pull me deeper and I just keep wanting to know more, mainly with Dimitri and Rose but also about the so many broken links in the books that just leave u hanging.

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But I was thinking about something last night as wella s today while I was starting to reread the books over again (Haha). Well we HAVE read about the Queen Tatiana's conversation with Rose about Adrian. But I was wondering if something is also playing a role in that now too, as if she's part of the "People behind the scenes" as Victor had mentiond earlier that want to exploit Lissa's power and find out if there's more to it than just whate veryone knows. And something just seems off about how the Strigoi had attacked the Academy, its as if they KNEW that the Wards were somehow penetrated already due to the "Initiation" Jesse and Ralf had had with Lissa. So to me it also seems like another third party is somehow in with the Strigoi or at least the "bad side" now. Just seems too fishy that the Strigoi knew when to attack the Academy even tho they knew the Wards are always up and yet they didnt even bring Humans with them TO penetrate the Wards like they did every other time. Its like they knew they didnt NEED them this time. I was talking to my sister, who I admit was the one who introduced me to these books (after I introduced her to Twilight), and she was telling me her opinion on the 4th book and how she thinks that everyone of Rose's friends are goign to end up running away from teh school or find a way to just follow Rose but i dont know, theres so many different possibilities, but I DO know that Victor has some type of Connection with whatevers goign on and i think part of it IS with Dimitri and im feeling like he's trying to test Rose's shadow-kissed abilities and see how far she can go, since like u said, hes more viewing this as a scientistic point of view.

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Haha I was just thikning about something while I was on teh phone with my sister. I had read the First Chapter of the 4th Book in the Thread above this one, and if its the real Chapter then theres things I noticed.

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In the 1st Chapter, Sydney had assumed that Rose was the one that left the "piles of Strigoi bodies" around Siberia in the town shes currently in. But Rose, in her thoughts, had basically implied in her meaning that the ONLY body she had left was the one in the park. So that MUST mean that somebody ELSE is leaving bodies of Strigoi there. And my sister and I were thinking that it wouldnt be the Siberia Guardians because theyd have cleaned the mess up because its their home town and because Guardians know better. We were thinking that theres a slight possibility that either: 1) Dimitri has turned Strigoi but has some sense of humnaity or piece of his soul left within him , OR 2) Something happened to him to where hes half Dhampir / half Strigoi, and he might be fighting with both sides of himself and yet the Guardian part of him is whats making him kill the Strigoi but because hes conflicted, hes just leaving them. Were thinking that he might be the one who actually left the bodies butttt we won't know until the book comes out. It's all speculation but just the fact that new thoughts, views are coming out just makes me cant wait even more to get that book haha. ALSO, I noticed in the THIRD book that after Dimitri and Rose had made love, when the scene appeared where she thought Dimitri was going to tell her that he regretted making love to her and that he shldnt have done it, but instead he kissed her. She has asked him about why he had done it, what had changed him. He said to her if she remembered what Rhonda had said to him about his Prophecy. And she asked him if he had sex because he might lose her. He didnt say it was BECAUSE of that. He didnt tell her that he thought she was teh thing he valued most. I think he knew it was his soul he valued most and that he KNEW something was going to happen to him. He said "..well believe me, it wasnt because of that. Regardless of the specifics--or if its even true--she was right about how easilythings can change." So i think he knew that that "something he was gonna lose" wasnt gonna be her.

Blood promise

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I like your theory of Dimitri leaving the dead strigoi everywhere. Like he's trying to protect his home from them. Maybe by leaving the bodies around as a scare tactic for the other strigoi. If the strigoi are finding their own kind dead everywhere they will be 1 aware that someone is sending them a message. 2 they'll be on edge. But if Sydney finds them before the strigoi do there's no point. Another thought is the dead strigoi are bread crumbs that Dimitri is leaving behind for rose.

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Ok theres one more theory that I just pulled out of my ass after re-reading teh first book. It's leaning more towards the fact of Dimitri becoming full strigoi.

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Near the end of the first book, when Rose finds out that Natalie turns into a Strigoi because her father asks her to, when Rose is talking to her, Natalie talks to Rose as if she's still Moroi or whatever she was before she turned. The only different really was the fact that she just has anger issues and would kill anyone to protect her daddy, who YET was still Moroi himself. And during their conversation Rose was telling Natalie that she was going to WANT to kill Moroi and that she wouldn't be able to stop it and Natalie's response was "He'll help me stay in control. If not, then they'll have to kill me." So what I'm thinking is that 1) If Dimitri did turn into a Strigoi, but because his love for Rose is so strong, I think his sense of right and wrong is still there, but its like he cant control it and that he'll still love and want to protect Rose (tho he'll prolly run away from her bc he might be afraid he MIGHT try to harm her) but if Natalie was able to "stay in control" as she had told Rose, maybe it could be the same for Dimitri and Rose; ALSO 2) If he did turn, maybe theres a chance that theres a way to control urself once u turn Strigoi. Afterall Natalie's senses were still intact on protecting her daddy even tho he WASNT Strigoi so that clearly has to admit that the new Strigois probably have a sense of control left in themselves upon turning, it just depends on what happens to them after that which tells u how they become as a Strigoi down the road.

Hehe what can I say. Whatever gets the time to go by a little faster in the day =P I like to re-read the books mainly because I know I'd miss some detail or not really understand certain parts and coming up with the multiple ideas of how things could possibly be for the Fourth Book just makes it that much more interesting.

Tho u were mentioning upon the fact that yes Natalie was young and was a fresh Strigoi when turned but couldnt that also be another way of being more positive towards Dimitri's side of it? That because of his long experience as a Guardian and bc of his clear understanding of what was "right" and "wrong", that it could have left an impact within himself if/when he got turned? We won't know how things truly turn out until the book comes out, but just considering teh possibilities is fun

Oh, I agree. re-reading a book always allows me to understand certain sections again and lets me process things.
And I don't want to seem like I've lost all hope, I haven't really. I'd love for there to be some way for Dimitri to pull through the typical Strigoi way of behaving. But at the same time if he did it would seem odd, or at least it would be odd to me, for him to be the only person who was changed with strong senses of good and evil and just happened to keep those senses when he turned. I just think a lot of people are hoping too much for the best and while I love that everyone has such positive hopes (because thinking positively is always better in my opinion) I don't want to rely on those hopes too much in case it doesn't happen (and there's a very large possibility it won't be all sunshine and daisies for Dimitri)
It would be wonderful for something unknown and special to come along and pull Dimitri out of the darkness and allow him to live again, but I think if that was at all possible (mainly through spriti users as that seems to be the most sort after form of cure) then it would have been discovered back when spirit was more well known. If it had been capable of curing strigoi from the world of evil someone would have been on the look-out for spirit users and not just in the form of Victor Dashkov who didn't start looking into it until after Lissa's family died in the car crash.

that's my opinion on the matter at least, and if it turns out that I'm wrong well then I'll survive.